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Topic: Thank you, Dr Robert

BloodWolf started this discussion 6.7 years ago #297

Thank you for understanding my condition and not burning mean like a witch. I really appriciate your openminded sense of fairness. You have created an enviornmet I have no tseen anywhere else online. I find your site to be a source of learning and understanding without the witch burning. So again. Thank you for being who you are and not falling into the standard "ban all psychopaths" trend.

You're pretty awesome as a person and though you don't believe it I think there is a place in Heaven for people that have virtue like your own. I wish there was an award they could give you to recognize your abaility to overcome such small things. But all I got for you is this... thank you for not exhiling me.

I was kicked from another website earlier today because they foundout I was a psychopath. But I didn't go there to hurt anyone. I just wanted to help them understand and in return for my kindness I was banned. Thank you for not sharing that mentality.

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Differential joined in and replied with this 6.7 years ago, 12 minutes later[^] [v] #0

Though I don't have any sort of experience like the one above, I'll second the spirit of the motion. Not like I could read and occasionally post like this anywhere else.

Anon joined in and replied with this 6.7 years ago, 3 minutes later, 15 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #0

Dr Robert is the Don.

dr-robert joined in and replied with this 6.7 years ago, 11 hours later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #0

Thanks to all three, and you are most welcome here.

On this Forum, I intend to maintain a culture which is intelligent, courteous, and non-judgmental. Arguing, with at least a modicum of civility, is fine, demonizing is not. Recently I had to ban someoneafter two warningswho would not allow himself to be a part of that culture. Everyone else here seems to understand the value of having a place to discuss serious matters without the flaming which seems to be so common on the web. I may not like what you say. I may not agree with what you say. But I will listen to what you say, and try to understand where you are coming from, and what is the meaning of what you say. That is how I expand my horizons. This is what psychotherapists are trained to do, and this site is informed by my training and experience in that work.

As I have written on my website, I very much doubt that psychopathy or sociopathy is a disease in any sense of that word. Instead, I am inclined to see psychopathy as simply a normal personality variant. There is a long history of demonizing and pathologizing behaviors or attitudes which society at large does not like or which seem destructive to the values of the majority. I understand the fear behind that history, but I do not believe that is the best way, or even a good way, of understanding our situation as human beings. No one asks to be born with the personality that he or she has, so why cast blame? In this regard, it is good to remember that until recently, homosexuality was considered a mental illness too.

In addition, while it may unnerve some people to realize that there are human beings who move through life more or less free of the guilt that seems to constrain the majority from "doing whatever the hell they like," that is not the fault of the psychopath, who after all is just whatever he or she is, but the fault of the "normal"normal does not mean "good," but just "in the majority"person who had assumed, naively, that everyone else was just like him or her, and suddenly finds out, and is shocked to find out, that people's attitudes are not all the same, and that it is best to take very good care of yourself when dealing with strangers.

Be well.

Hexi joined in and replied with this 6.7 years ago, 5 hours later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #0

I'm quite curious about something. What exactly have you gained from our ramblings? What insight have you taken with you, specifically from me, wolfie and others with the same kind of views? This is purely to stroke my ego ofcourse, i have no desire to hide it but i'm curious all the same.

dr-robert replied with this 6.7 years ago, 46 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #0

Well for me, Hexi, it is mostly about providing a space. Not that I have nothing left to learn, but learning things is not really my motive in doing this. Think of it as an experiment of a kind in creating a cultural space which is different from the norm: non-judgmental, open to diversity of opinion and personality, oriented towards the depth of issues rather than the surface, and respectful of people's true experiences so that some of them will drop masks and reveal material which usually is hidden. It's like an art project, in a way. I provide the space, set some very basic ground rules, put my oar in the water when it seems appropriate, but pretty much let all of you take it to wherever you do, and I am interested to observe what kind of new intelligence might develop in such an environment which is both anonymous and intimate at the same time. In all this time I have only had to ban two people, so all of the rest of you are doing great work here with this cultural opportunity by my lights.

Does that explain it?

Now, since I have answered honestly, what are you here for?

Hexi replied with this 6.7 years ago, 24 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #0

I was more curious to know what, if any, totally new ideas or insights might have rubbed off on your personal view on thigs, not the reasons behind this place.

As to what i'm here for, hmm... i was looking up something for a friend actually with google and your site came up, decided to read some stuff and realised that i could say what i actually think here. Perhaps having a place to speak your mind and share your point of view is something of a comfort for me. Behind the bullshit of people like me, we are very alone and allthough that in of itself isn't a bad thing, i think it's good to be able to be yourself, even if it's a medium of this nature. When the vast majority of people think you are a monster if they knew your true self, it's easy to become indifferent and i think that is the key reason why some psychopaths just give up and kill people for fun. Afterall, what does it matter if you rape and murder someone? In their eyes, you are already a monster, sent by the devil to inflict terror into them even if you have never hurt anyone. So, for me personally, this place keeps my more darker impulses in check and gives a reason to keep going. It's hard to describe to somoene who can connect with others, love and feel happy for someone else what true loneliness really is.

EDIT: I'm not looking for acceptance and compassion. Just being treated as a person is enough.

(Edited 7 minutes later.)

BloodWolf (OP) replied with this 6.7 years ago, 1 minute later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #0

He wants therapy but doesn't have the balls to seek it. :p

Jennifer joined in and replied with this 6.7 years ago, 3 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #0

No, that would be me. Hexi, who doesn't treat ya as a person? Want me to kick their ass for you?

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Hexi replied with this 6.7 years ago, 6 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #0

Do this, Jennifer. Go out and ask random people what they think of psychopaths. :)

Differential replied with this 6.7 years ago, 1 minute later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #0

I'm here for the chance to be honest, as I've mentioned before. I have a lot of questions, plenty to learn, and a fascination with what makes the mind tick - thus and I find the anonymous intimacy to provide both interesting reading and food for thought.

Personally, I can gain insight from what I read others saying (about themselves, and myself) without having to be defensive or maintaining any sort of mask. Beyond that, I've found interesting conversation lacking elsewhere.

Ailonna joined in and replied with this 6.7 years ago, 59 seconds later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #0

Jennifer, that'd be a whole lot of ass kicking, you prepared?

Jennifer replied with this 6.7 years ago, 2 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #0

That would be the greatest day of my life. :D As long as there were no consequences of course.

Differential replied with this 6.7 years ago, 11 seconds later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #0

That'd be a table-turn. Burn the empaths at the stake?

Jennifer replied with this 6.7 years ago, 1 minute later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #0

Throw em to the LIONS! Though I would prefer christians to empaths. But for Hexi's sake I would do both.

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Hexi replied with this 6.7 years ago, 2 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #0

Get on the chat people, since you're here.

Johnnywalker joined in and replied with this 6.7 years ago, 5 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #0

If what you say is true, I am interested in, whether or not, psychopaths, could exist as a community rather than masking loners in the world of "good" normal people?

Should guilt and fear, be really required to be able to act as one or in favor of one and another? I am interest whether such individuals could find mutual interesting that could sustain such a environment.

(Edited 4 minutes later.)

Sifter joined in and replied with this 6.7 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #0

I like watching people and talking to them. And, umm, 'being helpful'. And for that I get toasted on a stake and fed to hungry lions! Where's the freaking gratitude? :)

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Differential replied with this 6.7 years ago, 32 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #0

On a more related/serious note, I actually walked away with something I've been looking for for years after a few hours of chat with some folks in the chat room tonight. And it happened specifically because of the environment the doc has tried to put together here.

Figured this was a good thread to mention it in.

dr-robert replied with this 6.7 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #0

If you would care to share a bit of that more specifically, Diff, I would be interested.

Good to see you in the chat.
Be well.

EvangelineMade joined in and replied with this 6.7 years ago, 4 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #0

Diff, I wasn't there for the whole chat but I'm dying to hear what your revelation was.

As for me, I've been lurking here a little while, first posted a few says ago... but I am totally enamored with the openness. I am never *myself* anywhere (except in my therapist's office), and I see the potential for that here.

I love how everyone just "puts it out there" so to speak. I don't comment much, but there are many questions and answers that make me go, "wow! That's me too. Maybe I'm not a total loser/freak/etc."

Differential replied with this 6.7 years ago, 3 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #0

Long story short, Doc, Hexi hit me with a close-to-home zinger and rather than what I would have done in an encounter anywhere else (namely, deflect, hide behind the mask, and bring out the claws) I found that in the spirit of remaining as honest as I have been here due to the lack of judgement, I took what was said to heart so to speak.

It lead us down a path of conversation wherein I realized precisely how much of a hindrance and prison my ego was - and for the first time I actually could mentally identify WHAT my ego was. What it did, how it functioned, and why I needed to separate myself from it.

In short, I gained an entirely important insight into people in general, specifically in myself, and I can now actually go about the business of improving myself with that new insight. All of which is exactly what I was hoping to find here.

Beyond all that, good times were had. Bookshelf and Hexi in the same room is a riot.

Ailonna replied with this 6.7 years ago, 8 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #0

Hey Diff, I missed that. What was said? (the close to home zinger)

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Differential replied with this 6.7 years ago, 45 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #0

He pointed out that I deliberately went out of my way to avoid appearing human, and explained it was probably because I don't want to consider myself human (as in my eyes humans are weak, pathetic, stupid, and vulnerable.)

Hexi replied with this 6.7 years ago, 5 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #0

It was easy to hit the mark as i was you a few years ago, like i said. Hope you get something of value out of it, in the end.

Ailonna replied with this 6.7 years ago, 9 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #0

Damn, I wish I paid complete attention to that convo, sounded interesting. I may have ended up learning something. I hate this laptop...

I was going to ask how do you know if you successfully separated the ego. This may have already been answered, but well, yeah, answer again please if anyone will XD!

Differential replied with this 6.7 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #0

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> It was easy to hit the mark as i was you a few years ago, like i said. Hope you get something of value out of it, in the end.

More than I can be bothered to immediately describe, Hex. Too much effort to explain it in full.

Sarah replied with this 6.7 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #0

It blew my mind. I'm here to make peace. <3

dr-robert replied with this 6.7 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #0

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Good work. I thought that chat might go somewhere. In an open space, anything can happen, no?

Bookshelf joined in and replied with this 6.7 years ago, 10 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #0

Bump

Edit: Sarah, baby, you came back <3

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Sifter joined in and replied with this 6.7 years ago, 51 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #0

Sorry I missed it!

Sarah replied with this 6.7 years ago, 44 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #0

Yes, I've brought chocolates and flowers Book. :)

Bookshelf replied with this 6.7 years ago, 16 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #0

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> Yes, I've brought chocolates and flowers Book. :)

You bring me my money?

Edit: Baby?

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Sarah replied with this 6.7 years ago, 8 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #0

No money. You get me and just me. That's more than enough.

Sarah double-posted this 6.7 years ago, 6 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #0

Book, get on the chat with me! I'll be waiting...

Jennifer replied with this 6.7 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #0

I think I'm going to puke.

Sarah replied with this 6.7 years ago, 56 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #0

No don't puke, you'll make a mess.

Jennifer replied with this 6.7 years ago, 34 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #0

First it's Hexi. Now it's Book. Make up your mind.

Differential replied with this 6.7 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #0

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> Good work. I thought that chat might go somewhere. In an open space, anything can happen, no?

Couldn't have happened anywhere else.

andreas joined in and replied with this 6.7 years ago, 2 days later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #0

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> If what you say is true, I am interested in, whether or not, psychopaths, could exist as a community rather than masking loners in the world of "good" normal people?
>
> Should guilt and fear, be really required to be able to act as one or in favor of one and another? I am interest whether such individuals could find mutual interesting that could sustain such a environment.

Oh it is so very true. I part of the reason that I found out I was a sociopath was because I was trying to figure out what my friend was. We are very different people, but our minds had some interesting similarities. I though I might be hyperlexic,but it didn't fit too well, and in no way described my friend. So, I read this site, among a few others, and realized that we were both sociopaths! (quite a surprise).

We have very different interests, and very different goals in life, not even too much in common but the fact that we think in similar ways makes it incredibly relaxing. We see movies, go to comedy clubs, hang out, and no one even has to die! (sorry, couldn't resist joking about a common expectation lol)
I used to hang out in the same group as him, for 2yrs, in High School, after I moved to my university, we reconnected, and that is when I came to this conclusion. Now, we are decent friends.
So YES, we could make a great community. I could only imagine finding a sociopath with the same interests as myself!!!!

Hexi replied with this 6.7 years ago, 5 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #0

Wolfie, you are needed. I can't do this, it's just... too much.

Differential replied with this 6.7 years ago, 25 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #0

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> So YES, we could make a great community. I could only imagine finding a sociopath with the same interests as myself!!!!

Unicorns and candy! Puppies, magical wonder and friendship conquering evil!!!!

This is entirely what psychopathy is like. Hell, I only think I -might- be one and I can definitely say for sure that we are awesomest friends forever! Right, hexi? Remember that time when we had that fun? :D

Hexi replied with this 6.7 years ago, 2 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #0

As long as there is prey around. If not though, we would cut eachothers throats sooner rather than later.

Differential replied with this 6.7 years ago, 31 seconds later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #0

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> Wolfie, you are needed. I can't do this, it's just... too much.

On second thought, you just tripped me into doing this in your place. You ass. Chat?

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andreas replied with this 6.7 years ago, 1 hour later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #0

You play so mean :P
I am an idealist. Fortunately, due to the positive opportunities afforded me, I have not needed to struggle as much as others, so I am not particularly damaged. In truth, I can also be describes as a cold idealist. I Could cut someone that I deem an obstacle down, as easily as I could uplift another person. (The best is taking down a jerk, and uplifting a truly kind person in their place. I get satisfaction but not any warm feelings.)

I'm not all rainbows, dreams, and roses. I a weird combination of, dreams, poison, sunshine, and lightning storms :P
Better yet, I am like fire. A catalyst, I can light the way, cook your meals, forge your tools, cauterize a wound, or even consume your foes. True sociopathy is actually quite a neutral thing. As Dr Robert deftly put it, "the damage done to psychological insight when behavior, in lieu of psychodynamics, becomes the focus of diagnostic scrutiny." http://askdrrobert.dr-robert.com/mildpsychopath.html

I agree that sociopathy(psychopathy) is a personality type. I was born this way. I see the emphasis on behaviour as a distraction. Yes, I understand that behaviour is an observable phenomenon that can be reliably documented but it is an insufficient measure of psychopathy. Personality is difficult to assess, therefore the APA decided to remove it from diagnostic criteria.
Yes, I fit more than a scant few of the behavioural criteria, but the internal psychological thought process echoes with a resounding clarity : )
I'm certainly the real deal.

Hexi replied with this 6.7 years ago, 17 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #0

And who are you reassuring about your self-diagnosis? The random readers of this forum that couldn't give 2 shits or yourself hmm?

andreas replied with this 6.7 years ago, 10 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #0

Back to friendship.
Why being friends with another sociopath is so fun, is because there is very little need to cater to the emotional needs of such a companion. As a sociopath, I do not 'genuinely' enjoy the company of others. To be specific, if we are not doing an activity that I enjoy, I see little reason to, or at worst can hardly stand to be with that person. Out of concern for their wellbeing, I won't let on how bored I am. It is more fun to be myself, than fake enjoyment.
"Concern? Sociopaths wouldn't feel that."
I'm not insane; I understand that hurting the feelings of others is not nice. Letting them know that I am so bored, though it is no fault of their own will potentially make that person upset, or maybe resentful. If I were inclined to hurt that persons feelings, I could and if I did, I would feel no remorse, if their upset was the intended result. Because of that, I avoid unintentionally hurting people. That could cause regret, for unintentional consequences are regrettable, in other words, a mistake.
Humans of any type get along well with those that are similar to themselves, simply because it requires less effort and intuiting to get along with them.

andreas double-posted this 6.7 years ago, 4 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #0

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> And who are you reassuring about your self-diagnosis? The random readers of this forum that couldn't give 2 shits or yourself hmm?

I do recognize that paradox :P I actually have a vested interest in the responses that I receive, for I and some others are trying to create a network for actual socio/psychopaths. The responses that I receive are useful, for that purpose.
I'm fairly happy with who I am, and feel little need to boast or be defensive, so I am unnecessarily honest. This kind of honesty tends to call out to others of a similar mindset.

Hexi replied with this 6.7 years ago, 3 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #0

Other wannabes? Sure, plenty of those around. Do you sparkle in the sunlight aswell?

andreas replied with this 6.7 years ago, 4 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #0

:) Only when sated.
Without condescension, or any type of malice, can I ask you why or what you may believe yourself to be? Or perhaps a link to where you explain that? It's not a challenge, and I am genuinely curious. If you refused, I wouldn't be offended.

Bookshelf replied with this 6.7 years ago, 4 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #0

Um, dude... I'll start by saying that I want to punch you in the face. Just to see what you'll say, because I can sense that you're the type that wouldn't do anything about it, but might ask me politely to stop.

And I'll finish by saying that you won't really know you're a sociopath until you do something rather fucked up to somebody. You tear down "jerks" and build up good people, which is fine, but exactly the wrong thing to do if you're a sociopath. A sociopath tears down assholes and goodguys alike, and builds up themselves because, fuck it, I'm bored and you're a breathing target.

You don't want sociopathic friends, but sociopaths certainly want to be YOUR buddy.

Hexi replied with this 6.7 years ago, 11 seconds later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #0

A person with considerable intelligence, dry humor and a dashing smile.

Jennifer replied with this 6.7 years ago, 1 minute later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #0

Book come to chat

andreas replied with this 6.7 years ago, 42 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #0

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> Um, dude... I'll start by saying that I want to punch you in the face. Just to see what you'll say, because I can sense that you're the type that wouldn't do anything about it, but might ask me politely to stop.
>
> And I'll finish by saying that you won't really know you're a sociopath until you do something rather fucked up to somebody. You tear down "jerks" and build up good people, which is fine, but exactly the wrong thing to do if you're a sociopath. A sociopath tears down assholes and goodguys alike, and builds up themselves because, fuck it, I'm bored and you're a breathing target.
>
> You don't want sociopathic friends, but sociopaths certainly want to be YOUR buddy.

You are describing the neutrality that I am looking for. I mentioned MY behaviour. There are good reasons for doing what I do. Phrases like, "Pissing into the wind, and don't shit where you eat" are what come to mind, when I think of truly reckless behaviour. I'm on my way to being an MD, a criminal record is quite detrimental to that end. Being liked, and socially acceptable are very important.

My sociopathic friend also says such things. He always talks about randomly socking someone in the face, just to see what would happen. Violence is just one expression of that type of mentality. Violence, or even tearing down people need not be the only ways of identifying sociopaths. Just like Dr. Saltzman, I am interested in the internal psychological aspects. As a human, your cognitive/emotional profile must deal with all the positive and negative aspects of life, and that profile will colour all of the aspects, in certain ways. I'm sure that you have met the truly kind people out there, that would not tear down the jerks. Also, there are those people that would tear down jerks, and feel remorse, for having performed the deed, even if it was a jerk; guilt for the negative impact they impacted onto the life of that jerk, and regret for having sunken to their level, and taking negative action. That triad does not fit me psychological profile. I could tear down good people but there are negative consequences. There are few negative consequences to tearing down bad people. ESPECIALLY, is the benefit of being seen as a good person, who tears down bad people. As long as you are not too cruel in your pursuits, there are even rewards. If you are clever, you can also convince others that you are fully justified in your actions, if you are seen as nice, and you can convince others that your 'enemy' (for lack of a better word), is bad. (Dr. Stout refers to that technique as Gaslighting) Truly nice people are often aghast, if/when they hear of what I am willing to do to someone I dislike. Also, you should not make the assumption that a person that I consider a jerk, is actually, in any since, a bad person. A truly kind person might label someone a jerk but they make excuses or exceptions for that person, assuming that there is some justifiable cause. OR they demonize them, and can be just as cruel as any violent psychopath. Being able to tear down someone you have not demonized is potentially a good indicator that you are a sociopath. It could also bring about false positives, for a highly emotional person can appear "just as petty", as it seems to non-sociopaths. Behaviour is a poor indicator, for any one action can be performed for dozens of reasons.
I've done some bad things, but I have nothing to gain from mentioning them. Because of the DSM's emphasis on behaviour, that attracts more wannabes than my 'wannabe psychobabble' would. ASPD includes psychopaths and non-psychopaths alike. Your tearing down good and bad alike, could easily be confused, by a wannabe that violence=sociopathy, (come to think of it, that is another good way to ferret out wannabes).

Tell me this, when you have a goal that you wish to achieve. Do you not exercise caution? Would you simply lash out at a random person, when it could jeopardize your larger goals? These are interesting questions because they relate strongly to Robert Hare's PCL-2 Characteristics. A person, sociopathic or not, with poor impulse control has difficulty with such grand plans. Thus they become the subjects of Dr. Hare's research, poor sampling, in my opinion. If sociopaths truly didn't understand consequences, or learn from their mistakes, they could never learn to manipulate others. Impulsive people aren't particularly suited for manipulation. Thus they end up in jail :)

Differential replied with this 6.7 years ago, 53 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #0

While I recognize (believe me, I recognize) that sociopathy is a cool way to get back at the bullies that made fun of you in school - it gives you a nice solid shell to protect yourself with, it turns you into the batman - attempting to convince yourself by selling us the idea doesn't make you any less wrong.

andreas replied with this 6.7 years ago, 52 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #0

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> While I recognize (believe me, I recognize) that sociopathy is a cool way to get back at the bullies that made fun of you in school - it gives you a nice solid shell to protect yourself with, it turns you into the batman - attempting to convince yourself by selling us the idea doesn't make you any less wrong.

I was never really was bullied, all you needed is to become friends with someone influential enough that they could not mess with you :) Keeps the hands clean! I'm a little surprised at how scripted these responses are; they are responses to statements that I have heard others make but have no relevance to me.
I am somewhat puzzled by your attachment to the term socipathy, you speak of it as an identity; it lacks pragmatism. I am interested in learning from anyone, regardless of how right or wrong they are, information is valuable, regardless of the source.
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