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Topic: Jake

Molly started this discussion 5 years ago #2,561

Does it make you feel...odd that your mom locks the door at night for her safety from you? I was just thinking about that...

Hexi joined in and replied with this 5 years ago, 29 minutes later[^] [v] #0

You should break in and leave a note saying "not good enough". That will REALLY get her going.

Gina joined in and replied with this 5 years ago, 1 hour later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #0

D: jake..no bueno dude :c

Molly (OP) replied with this 5 years ago, 23 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #0

I mean,when your sitting there as a family watching tv,or whatever your family does,does that thought of,"wow.Not even my own blood trust me," or a similar thought?

Molly joined in and replied with this 5 years ago, 58 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #0

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I was curious. What a strange set up to be in. For the mom who probably loves you like I love my sons,and for you,who has no desire to want or need a connection. I guess if your mom really loved you,she would HAVE to respect your lack of emotional needs,and let you be. And she has to protect her self,because you have expressed wanting to kill them MIXED with no emotional ties on your side. So...although it seems strange,it just makes sense on both sides.

Thanks babe! As a mom,I was curious what it's like.

Molly double-posted this 5 years ago, 25 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #0

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Does that bother you?

Dude,Im sorry. I have feelings. I NEED to knw these things.;) But does that ever bother you? Honest honest answer...

Molly triple-posted this 5 years ago, 25 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #0

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I would never say that it should bother you,because that doesn't change anything. Sometimes things are just the way they are,no matter what we think they should be.It just doesn't matter what we think about certain things. If it doesn't bother you,then I personally think you should relax into who you are at this moment.Not try to ever be a certain way,or wonder if you should be a certain way. Just be yourself. All while learning how to follow your dreams,and not get side tracked.Like all of us have to do.

Who knows if your mom really loves you or not. If YOU do not know what real love feels like,you wouldn't know if she does. And I dont know her so...Who knows.

Molly quadruple-posted this 5 years ago, 1 hour later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #0

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I'll tell you what it feels like for me. I'll show you mine if you show me yours. You have to tell me what it feels like to not have a connection.

When I see others suffer,it hurts. But it's not a hurt like you think. It's in the heart. It comes out of the chest. If you could paint a picture to how it feels to see suffering,love,babies,death,just all life that moves a sensitive person(who isn't afraid to love mind you) it would be like having your arms spread open,head facing the sun. It feels free. You feel alive. When you are truly connected with someone,you then are not the main character in your head.You feel their pain,happiness,etc,and since you are connected,it's not about how it affects you.You step into their world...empathy.

Another way of thinking about it is,since you are connected,seeing another in the process of some sort of torture,is like having it done to you. There for,and I am assuming this is why us humans are wired this way,we look out for each other. Obviously,I'm talking about clarity. Lots of people who are capable of love are psychology hurt,so are blocked from their potential freedom until they figure out how to let go,and not be afraid to be..Not be afraid of suffering.

Molly quintuple-posted this 5 years ago, 9 hours later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #0

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That's good..That you still feel full,and free. I assumed it would feel empty. I guess empathy is not what makes your life full or empty.

There is that side in me also that loves to see people mess up in a humorous way. But in real life empathy won't let that happen so much. It can't happen because...if you could picture yourself entering another persons heart/feelings..then you actually are feeling it with them. That's the connection.It's like forgetting yourself totally,and feeling the others pain,joy,happiness,etc. There are simulated stories that cut out the need for empathy,like what TV offers,and just being amused is super awesome! Its enjoyable.:)

Ailonna joined in and replied with this 5 years ago, 30 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #0

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I don't agree with you there Molly. You can be free to manipulate and be a total ass and have high amounts of empathy. I have family members that get off on treating others horribly, and this is because they are hurting inside. They understand the pain they are inflicting (though they claim it is teasing) because it has either been done to them, or they done it to themselves, and this person I know also happens to have the biggest heart on the planet. He picks on people closest to him (friends and family) because he knows they accept his being an asshole and they care too much to ditch him.

This may be the same with "Jake: the newest model of Robot" here. He "manipulates the masses", but the masses are only people in his circle. This hold he may have on them may not even be to his doing, it may have everything to do with what they feel they can tolerate, what they are already aware of when it comes to his actions, and how much they are willing to accept because of the love they have for him. The people abused by my family member know he's an ass that needs to get this power trip sated through his antics, and for the most part they are humoring him. It does upset them, but they understand why he does it, and they feel him taking it out on them is better than him taking it out on people who don't have the tolerance. The main issue with this family member is that outside of family he has no power. He has no power with coworkers, he has no power with his cat, he has no power with his ex, he has no power in public when running errands, he is a total push-over. Only with his family and close friends can he make his "power" known.

Ailonna double-posted this 5 years ago, 1 minute later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #0

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- Manipulation isn't bad Jake.

- "Feeling" like you would act a certain way before it even happens is irrelevant.

- Making someone feel like shit after they "betrayed" you is what a lot of people do; nothing special.

- What kind of pain do you mean? Is this another *maybe* scenario that you haven't had any actual experiences with?

- Causing chaos, hmmm... tell me, what are your inspirations for doing that?

Molly replied with this 5 years ago, 23 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #0

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Jake and I were discussing just how it feels to be us. Not how things are with everyone. It takes all kinds to be the way the world is.

Hexi replied with this 5 years ago, 2 hours later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #0

Now now Ail, the snowflakes are having a discussion, there is no need to be rude.

Ailonna replied with this 5 years ago, 44 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #0

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> Jake and I were discussing just how it feels to be us. Not how things are with everyone. It takes all kinds to be the way the world is.

Jake wasn't describing anything but what it's like to be a version of himself that he wishes he were reality. He is separating himself from the world in hopes to be something different, but he isn't. You are asking him questions like he is some interesting science experiment that is successful, and it is all based on his commentary which is only here for attention reasons. You didn't even really ask any good questions to make him think about his own actions, just narcissistic dick jerking ones that make his head fatter. He is a child (or at east acts like one) and I think his views of the world would be dramatically different if his ass was out on the streets fending for himself. All I hear is some spoiled child talking about how much he terrorizes his family and how fun it is. If he were as manipulative and cold as he claims he could be utilizing these skills to make it on his own, or to get something out of it. But he isn't. He is fucking with people who care, then writing in his journal about how fun it was to burn ants. It's a joke, and it's even more of a joke for you to put interest in something this foolish. Are you that gullible?

Ailonna double-posted this 5 years ago, 4 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #0

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Jake, stop and actually think about why you do these things:

Why do you only choose to terrorize your family?

If you are bored, why not utilize this time towards something worth while, like learning?

Is this for attention? And if it is, what is it that you want (emotionally, physically)?

If you do actually desire something from them, why not ask for it instead of being an asshole about it?

Do you know what sadism is?

What is connection to you? And after you respond, re-read your definition then answer why you can't experience it?

Ailonna triple-posted this 5 years ago, 3 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #0

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Lol, fuck that. If they wanted privacy, get a room and put a sign on the door knob.

Hexi replied with this 5 years ago, 38 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #0

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Burning ants is serious business.

Molly (OP) replied with this 5 years ago, 25 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #0

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It's not a private conversation. You said you didn't agree with me earlier. I wasnt stating facts,only trying to explain how I am.
You can say or do anything you like. It's all just opinions anyway.

Mekay joined in and replied with this 5 years ago, 1 hour later, 22 hours after the original post[^] [v] #0

You're a big softie. Stop frontin'

Ailonna replied with this 5 years ago, 15 minutes later, 22 hours after the original post[^] [v] #0

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Thank you so much for answering Jake. I will give these answers my full attention when I get back tomorrow.

Molly (OP) replied with this 5 years ago, 11 minutes later, 22 hours after the original post[^] [v] #0

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In regards to #6. I would think since you can't have a connection is why it's easy for you to see them as resources.
None of this is a choice. Anyway,thanks babe. You and I are SO different mentally,but under all our fucked upness we are the exact same.

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Ailonna replied with this 5 years ago, 10 minutes later, 23 hours after the original post[^] [v] #0

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no.

Ailonna double-posted this 5 years ago, 53 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #0

Dinner, a music gig, then after party, then a chic's house to spend the night. I am returning tomorrow morning because I am having another friend come over.

Ailonna triple-posted this 5 years ago, 1 day later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #0

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So I lied. I ended up too entertained to come back to this, even though this friend pissed me of from her stupidity about the simplest things. I'm visiting family and she came to see me, then like a rude asshole kept inviting herself into the fridge without asking, and even though I told her ass not to bother the cat when he is in his little cat hotel I caught her, like a child, trying to go touch him when she thought I went into another room.

Needless to say she is never coming over again, she ruined her chances, I had it.

Now, on to your answers.

In response to your first question you say it is easiest to scare them. You feel "powerful" in scaring them, specifically. Do you enjoy power? And how often do you feel you need it?

2. You would love to? Then just do so. Do you have any activities you like doing (other than all that "manipulation" bull) anything physical? Instead of having an excuse to slack off from lack of focus try to focus on trying to focus.

3. Then what is 'this' for if it isn't attention?

4. What is it that you want though, you didn't answer that specifically, you only responded as if I know what it is you want. I don't.

5. So what is it (sadism)?

6. I agree with your first sentence; you don't have that connection because you treat them like shit. You contradicted yourself because you claimed earlier you would like to know what connection feels like. If there wasn't a part of you yearning, even for a miniscule moment, to know what that feels like, then the curiosity more than likely wouldn't be there. Name some times you tried to connect, and how did it feel.

utty joined in and replied with this 5 years ago, 26 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #0

I have a brother who literally enjoys causing other people emotional torment however he does have emotions and sympathy etc. He is in his fifties. Oddly he is always good to me. Treats me with respect etc. This can not be said for others in his life. He is the CEO of a corporation he started himself when he was 21 yrs old.

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Hexi replied with this 5 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #0

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It's called sadism.

Hexi double-posted this 5 years ago, 30 seconds later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #0

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Not enough grape drink to go around? :P

utty replied with this 5 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #0

I am not sure he's a sadist as much as just jaded and defensive. I think it's more a defense. He explained to me one time how he will do anything to win a fight.

Hexi replied with this 5 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #0

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Well getting emotional pleasure from hurting others, mentally or physically, is the definition of sadism.

utty replied with this 5 years ago, 4 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #0

Yeah that is true. Perhaps I defined him the wrong way.

Ailonna replied with this 5 years ago, 55 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #0

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> Not enough grape drink to go around? :P

Funny you should say that, she was getting a drank without asking, and I did not want her in the fridge drinking it. That shit is rude to me. You don't just invite yourself in MY FAMILIY'S fridge. Mine, at my apartment, okay. But somewhere where you are a guest to your friends family, in their home, that shit is not tolerated. I went off on her. Overall she's kinda of an inconsiderate asshole....I am finding myself a little less tolerant of her crude personality. She just seems so freaken' clueless; she has no people skills at all.

Hexi replied with this 5 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #0

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> she has no people skills at all.

Ok, this made me laugh out loud coming from you, Ail. :)

Ailonna replied with this 5 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #0

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Do I want any more what....

Ailonna double-posted this 5 years ago, 5 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #0

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> Ok, this made me laugh out loud coming from you, Ail. :)

Yeah, I was going to put the word (ironic) next to that comment.

Besides, I can figure out common decency and act accordingly. She doesn't even recognize it at all. She will scream at the top of her lungs at her mother and get in an argument on the phone in the middle of the night....at someone else's house. She will eat food, and spill it all over the floor, and not even think to clean it up. When she does after some sarcastic bitching, she uses a dry ass paper towel instead of SOAP and WATER. Are people that clueless, seriously?

Ailonna triple-posted this 5 years ago, 11 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #0

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No Jake, I don't need you to generalize examples to my questions by making it more about everyone and less about you. All of your responses had more of the, who doesn't, who wouldn't, most people, commentary when I wasn't asking about them. I am asking about you. I actually want you to re-respond to my questions, thinking only of you though. Not typical definitions to things, how they are to you.

Why do you NEED to be in power. And obviously your power issues has to do with lack of actual power where it matters, something I said about you a while ago.

> Yes, I do stuff on the side besides "manipulation bull," but honestly it just increases my levels of arrogance and makes me feel even more powerful.

You say this as if there is something wrong with being arrogant and "feeling powerful". Get specific, stuff like what?

3. What kind of input, and why would you need it?

> Ah, I apologize for vaguness. I want power, money, that's pretty much it. It's not like I can say, "Hey, buddy, kneel and give me your wallet." Money is usually stolen or obtained through taking advantage of both stupidity and generosity.

Yeah, you could, if you actually had true power. And you wouldn't have to worry about repercussions either. There are ways to get people to give you what you want, strangers, and then after fouling them getting them to feel like they were at fault for even thinking to ruin you, thus keeping them silent (shame and guilt).

Hexi replied with this 5 years ago, 54 seconds later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #0

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That's why I don't visit people in general. They always expect you to act unnaturally and scared of doing anything and if you don't they get upset because you don't adhere to their fucking neurosis.

Ailonna replied with this 5 years ago, 9 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #0

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So you are the rude asshole that doesn't have a fake form of manners? Or are you the overly quiet guy that doesn't even act human. I doubt what she is doing is the same as what you would do.

I don't visit people really either. I don't have much of a "mask", and if I want something I get it, but I can at least ask to go and get a drink while opening the fridge, I asked. Or if I am having issues with a family member, I go outside and talk, not scream next to a sleeping person, and across the hall from the sleeping parents, yelling like a spoiled brat about how I want to live my own life. Then to hang up dramatically, then pick up constantly after they call back? That seemed too unreal to me.

Ailonna double-posted this 5 years ago, 4 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #0

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Get specific as in leave out comments like this

> Does any man have true power in a free world? That's why the US should be a dictatorship.

This is generalization and attempted "escape" to evade details relating to you in the conversation. And why the hell should I keep Molly in mind, this is now about you and me.

I'll be back for your response later, take your time.

Hexi replied with this 5 years ago, 9 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #0

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No, I can behave appropriate to the situation but it shouldn't be expected. If you invite a cunt over don't be shocked when they act like a cunt, is what I'm saying.

Sherry joined in and replied with this 5 years ago, 4 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #0

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> I was curious. What a strange set up to be in. For the mom who probably loves you like I love my sons,and for you,who has no desire to want or need a connection. I guess if your mom really loved you,she would HAVE to respect your lack of emotional needs,and let you be. And she has to protect her self,because you have expressed wanting to kill them MIXED with no emotional ties on your side. So...although it seems strange,it just makes sense on both sides.
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> Thanks babe! As a mom,I was curious what it's like.

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I tried to say but it is just too painful my son is 21 and I have known what Jake's mom is now going through
all I can say is she is in a world of pain now, if she loves Jake as I love my son.

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Ailonna replied with this 5 years ago, 9 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #0

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Yeah, I was asking about you specifically. You didn't need to go the round about way of getting to your point. Being blunt is what I get. Besides, I got that message and it isn't happening again. Sadly, she did all of this in one invite.
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